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Re: Henry Sinclair's Coat of Arms

Postby Tank04 on Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:15 pm

Lisa,

Anyone have any information on Moray's? Today it is Murray.


Sorry, can't help you there, but a good friend of ours carries the Murray surname and they were Scottish.
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Re: Henry Sinclair's Coat of Arms

Postby mysteriousNS on Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:19 pm

What about a Moray eel? Could that coat be a Moray eel with ears :)

Yes, Murray is the "Scottish" Moray.

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Re: Henry Sinclair's Coat of Arms

Postby Tank04 on Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:45 pm

Lisa,

I expect those who developed the coat of arms for Clan Sinclair did not know of Moray Eels so I will go with it being the mythical dragon or maybe, it is "Nessey" from loch Ness.
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Re: Henry Sinclair's Coat of Arms

Postby mysteriousNS on Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:55 pm

It does look like Nessie, except I don’t think it has ears either :)

If they did not know what a moray eel looked like, maybe that is why it has ears?
Moray eels swim in warmer waters, so if it is the coat of arms, it would denote seafaring to warmer waters and lying and hiding in wait, like the eels do.

This website has a map of the Earldom of Moray right next to where Clan Sinclair is today. It was incorporated into Scotland in 1130 by David I.
http://www.pauls-room.com/uk/kqs2.swf

This link has some information on the exile of the Morays. The Moray’s are also the MacKays.
http://www.magma.ca/~mmackay/moray.html

I have always seen the Rooster or Cock connected with Sinclair. David Sinclair, President of Clan Sinclair USA, clearly states here that they are from Normandy, France. Joan Hope says this is where they took their name from, but was Moray before.
http://kingcrest.com/Sinclair/seal.html-ssi

“Clan Sinclair Seal with motto:
"Commit thy work to God"
All of the churches in Normandy have a Rooster on one steeple to signify that the church is completed and consecrated. The Cock proper in the Sinclair seal signifies watchfulness and is also a symbol of justice. Being from Normandy, the Sinclairs used this symbol denoting their Norman Ancestry as it is unique to Normandy.”


It says right here on this Clan Sinclair webpage that they are from Normandy and descend from Vikings who had land in France, this is where they were exiled to.
http://sinclair.quarterman.org/history/ ... mandy.html

This is a picture of the coat with the rooster
http://www.scottishweddinginvitations.c ... NCLAIR.jpg

I do believe they have moray eels around France :)

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Re: Henry Sinclair's Coat of Arms

Postby GrailKnight7 on Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:58 pm

Hi Tank & Lisa,

A number of years back I used to correspond with author Michael Bradley a fair bit. Michael theorized that sometime between 1400 and 1425 the "Templar treasure" was moved from Nova Scotia and taken inland to Lake Memphremagog on the Quebec/Vermont border.

One of the intereseting things about Lake Memphremagog, aside from a number of very old artifacts that have been found around lake, is the legend that it is home to a sea-serpent type creature named "Memphre" (very similar to the Loch Ness monster and Ogopogo).

I once joked with Michael that the creature in Henry Sinclair's coat of arms was probably Memphre. :D

There are quite a few websites regarding Memphre.
Eg: http://www.memphreusa.com/

http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/Quebec/memphre.htm

Henry Sinclair was allegedly in the Newport RI area in 1398 or 1399. Is it possible that they got as far inland as Lake Memphremagog? As you probably know, Sinclair died the following year in 1400 so there wasn't much time for him to have incorporated Memphre into his coat of arms. Still, you never know! :wink:

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Re: Henry Sinclair's Coat of Arms

Postby Tank04 on Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:21 pm

GK7,

Still, you never know!


Isn't that the truth?
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Re: Henry Sinclair's Coat of Arms

Postby mysteriousNS on Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:20 pm

There is an eel on Andrew Sinclair’s “The Secret Scroll”
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/kt7-12.htm

“In faded pastel colours, a six-pointed sun and a moon with a face surrounded by seven stars shone down from the sky. Between them was a row of six mysterious symbols that might be numerals or runes.
In a strip of ocean under a mountain chain, an eel and a fish cavorted with a whale and four other varieties of sea creature.
On the ground were three doves, a swan, a ewe and a ram, a serpent, a maned lion and other beasts that rang the changes from black cattle to a camel.”


The Moray eel also has no tongue, poor eyesight and poor hearing. All “emphasized” on the coat of arms depiction and the reason no one knows what it is. The Moray has a double set of jaws and superior sense of smell, lies in wait to strike out with a fierce bite, but is actually very shy and also helps other fish to hunt. :)

GK7 ….According to my Mermaid book, there is not a body of water in Canada that does not have some kind of “monster” or other “mythical creature” lurking in it. On Mysteries of Canada it says the Memphe has tusks and a horn, very interesting, did not know it was a “horned serpent.” :)

“They saw a monster dark and grim
Coming with coiling surge and swim,
With lifted head and tusk and horn,
Fierce as the spirit of Hades born.”




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